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Up, In, Down & Out: the anatomy of draft day trades

2015.05.11 04:55 RickRossSteakSauce Up, In, Down & Out: the anatomy of draft day trades

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The NBA playoffs are in full swing and as the pool of contenders rapidly dwindles, the number of starry-eyed prospect watchers quickly rises and /NBA_Draft creeps towards its yearly peak.
NBA Draft pick trades, year in and year out, fans clamor for their respective teams to trade up and grab that one super-special player whom they have become so enamored with. Maybe those warm and tingly feelings started bubbling up during an extra-special march through March (a lá Kemba Walker), or maybe after you saw that player who needed to be strapped down by cinder blocks in order to keep him from leaping out of the gym during the combine workouts (like Zach Lavine). Regardless of the reason, it’s draft season and everyone is watching in (not so) quiet, anxious, anticipation.
Draft day trades occur for a variety of reasons. Teams pair picks with bloated contracts in an attempt to dump salary. Teams that mortgaged away all their picks on an ill advised title run try to buy back in when they see that their summer league roster is going to consist of guys pulled from the local YMCA. Teams move up for players that they just know will be a piece or move back when they don’t see anyone they like. Oh and who can forget, the Philly mantra: asset acquisition.
With all the talk about swapping assets and trading picks on draft day, what does the actual track record suggest? The most interesting draft day trades (to me) are those that involve trading up into the draft (alongside its variant: trading into a draft for a player). We all know the narrative as it applies to the NBA draft’s big brother the NFL Draft: Smart managers trade back for assets and panicky, reactionary managers trade up to try to save their jobs. That being said, the NBA also carries its own narrative: you need a star to win and stars come in the early lottery picks.
The draft is a gamble, that gamble only becomes more risky as the draft rolls along. For the sake of character limits, we will stick to players drafted in the mid 20’s and below, and as a starting point I decided on what I consider the start of the postmodern NBA draft era, or the era of the “one and done” (2006). With the lack of prep to pro players flooding the draft with their incredibly high ceilings and low floors the lottery has become much more of a sure thing than it once was.

2014

** Orlando Magic:** Orlando acquired draft rights to 10th pick Elfrid Payton
Philadelphia 76ers: Philadelphia 76ers acquired draft rights to 12th pick Dario Šarić, a 2015 second-round pick and a future first-round pick
My Analysis: Orlando traded up and got a player with a lot of potential, what they gave up is a complete mystery at this point but they did give up quite a bit. I could see this one shaking out either way
Chicago Bulls: Chicago acquired Anthony Randolph and draft rights to 11th pick Doug McDermott
Denver Nuggets: Denver acquired draft rights to 16th pick Jusuf Nurkić, draft rights to 19th pick Gary Harris and a 2015 second-round pick
My Analysis: Chicago traded up. Early signs point towards this trade being incredibly one sided. Harris hasn’t played much, in limited minutes he wasn’t anything worth noting, but he was on an awful team and still has tons of potential as a 3&D guy, Jusuf has been one of the top young big men in the NBA this past season.

2013

** New Orleans Pelicans:** Jrue Holiday and 42nd pick Pierre Jackson.
Philadelphia 76ers: Traded 6th pick Nerlens Noel and a 2014 protected first-round pick*
*(turned into #10 Elfrid Payton, traded for Saric, and a future 2nd and 1st round pick from Orlando)
My Analysis:Philly traded in. Jrue is a gamer and a legit two way player, we will have to wait and see what he can do with Davis next season but he didn’t fit into Philly’s rebuild and Noel and a bundle of picks certainly does.
Minnesota Timberwolves: 14th pick Shabazz Muhammad and the 21st pick Gorgui Dieng.
Utah Jazz: 9th pick Trey Burke
My Analysis: Utah traded up. Minnesota seems like the clear winner of this trade with a borderline starting center and a very gifted scoring forward while Utah is left with an inefficient undersized player has struggled on defense up to this point. Only time will tell
Dallas Mavericks: Draft rights to the 16th pick Lucas Nogueira and a pair of 2014 second-round picks.
Boston Celtics: 13th pick Kelly Olynyk
My Analysis: Boston trades up. When KO was drafted Ainge didn’t know that he was about to blow it all up in one of the biggest trades of the decade. Olynyk was drafted to be a very good offensive bench body, he seems like he is becoming exactly that. Dallas flipped this pick for not very much in return
** Dallas Mavericks:** No. 18 pick, Shane Larkin.
Atlanta Hawks: 16th pick Lucas Nogueira, guard Jared Cunningham and the No. 44 pick (Mike Muscala)
My Analysis: Atlanta trades up. This was pretty much a wash. Can we just forget about this draft?

2012

** Cleveland Cavaliers:** Acquired Kelenna Azubuike and the draft rights to 17th pick Tyler Zeller
Dallas Mavericks: The draft rights to 24th pick Jared Cunningham, 33rd pick Bernard James and 34th pick Jae Crowder.
My Analysis: Cleveland traded up. Zeller and Jae Crowder are both very solid role players on a playoff caliber team; Cunningham is still young but has skipped around the league and the D- league, another wash.
2011
In a three-team trade:
Charlotte Bobcats: Acquired Corey Magette from the Milwaukee Bucks and the draft rights to 7th pick Bismack Biyombo from the Sacramento Kings,
Kings: Acquired John Salmons and the draft rights to 10th pick Jimmer Fredette from the Bucks
Bucks: Acquired Beno Udrih from the Kings, Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston and the draft rights to 19th pick Tobias Harris from the Bobcats.
My Analysis: A three way draft trade bonanza. I believe technically, Milwaukee and the Kings traded back and the Bobcats traded up. This trade spread a lot of mediocre players around the league and is the root of a lot of future NBA trades. But lets just look at it like this, Only one of these players will even sniff a max contract this season and it was the last player out of all three draft picks taken.
Indiana Pacers: Acquired George Hill
San Antonio Spurs: The draft rights to 15th pick Kawhii Leonard, 42nd pick Dāvis Bertāns and the draft rights to Erazem Lorbek, the 46th pick in 2005.
My Analysis: San Antonio trades in. The mac daddy of trade-ins.
Houston Rockets: Acquired Jonny Flynn, the draft rights to 20th pick Donatas Motiejūnas and a 2012 second-round draft pick
Minnesota Timberwolves: Brad Miller, the draft rights to 23rd pick Nikola Mirotić, 38th pick Chandler Parsons* and a future first-round draft pick. **
*The Rockets then re-acquired the draft rights to Parsons from the Timberwolves in exchange for cash considerations.
** Turned into 26th pick in 2013 Andre Roberson, then traded “Andre Roberson and Malcolm Lee to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for a 2014 second-round pick (the 53rd pick) and cash. Golden State then traded Roberson to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for the 29th pick (Archie Goodwin) and cash.”
My Analysis: Houston trades up. This one is intricate for a trade that involved moving up 3 spots. In a vacuum this is a huge loss for Houston: Mirotic, Parsons, and Roberson for D-Mo and Flynn! Luckily for Houston it all worked out pretty well in their favor
Chicago Bulls: Draft rights to 23rd pick Nikola Mirotić
Minnesota Timberwolves: Draft rights to 28th pick Norris Cole, 43rd pick Malcolm Lee and cash considerations.
My Analysis: Chicago trades up. I would call this a win for Chicago

2010

L.A. Clippers: Acquired the draft rights to 18th pick Eric Bledsoe
Oklahoma City: A future conditional first-round pick. *
(This pick was flipped to Boston with Green for Perkins, it turned out to be Fab Melo)
My Analysis: L.A.C. trades up. OKC trades a promising young guard with a knack for scoring for little to nothing in return. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

2009

Denver: Draft rights to 18th pick Ty Lawson
Minnesota: Future conditional first-round draft pick.*
(Turned out to be 2010, 16th Luke Babbitt)
My Analysis: Denver trades in: disaster Sorry again Minny.

2008

Memphis: Draft rights to 3rd pick O. J. Mayo, along with Marko Jarić, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner
Minnesota: Draft rights to 5th pick Kevin Love, along with Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins.
My Analysis: Memphis trades up. Hey look Minnesota; you won this one, pretty convincingly! It must be so great to have Love on your rost… sorry guys I forgot. I swear it’s over.
Portland: Draft rights to 11th pick Jerryd Bayless and Ike Diogu
Indiana: Draft rights to 13th pick Brandon Rush, Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. Indiana got three legitimate role players; Portland got a borderline NBA player who bounces around the league like flubber.
Toronto: Jermaine O'Neal and the draft rights to 41st pick Nathan Jawai
Indiana: T. J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovič, Maceo Baston, and the draft rights to 17th pick Roy Hibbert.
My Analysis: Indiana trades up. Larry Legend pulls off a steal. Hibbert helped this team rebuild into the Hibbert-Granger lineup that made us all wonder what would have happened if we could flip off injuries in the settings come playoff time.
In a three-team trade:
Portland: Draft rights to 25th pick Nicolas Batum from Houston
Houston: The draft rights to 33rd pick Joey Dorsey from Portland The draft rights to 28th pick Donté Greene and a 2009 second-round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis: The draft rights to 27th pick Darrell Arthur from Portland.
My Analysis: Portland traded up. An end of the first round trade of little significance if it weren’t for Batum, a win for Portland and a win for France!

2007

Seattle: Acquired Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, the draft rights to 5th pick Jeff Green and a 2008 second-round draft pick
Boston: In exchange for Ray Allen and the draft rights to 35th pick Glen Davis.
My Analysis: Seattle trades up. Seattle lost their team, Boston built the best roster to set foot on the hardwood since MJ retired the second time.

2006

Portland: Acquired the draft rights to 2nd pick LaMarcus Aldridge a 2007 second-round draft pick
Chicago: The draft rights to 4th pick Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. Look on the bright side Bulls fans; at least John Paxson lost his job for this. (In all seriousness how does John Paxson keep his job after this)?
Portland: Draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye, Raef LaFrentz and Dan Dickau
Boston: Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a 2008 second-round draft pick.)
My Analysis: Portland trades in. Boston tried to get themselves a young point guard to play alongside Pierce. Seabass was obviously the answer. Portland continued their wheeling and dealing as they built towards what should have been the most amazing SG PF combo that we should be watching play the grizz this week (and that’s not even considering the what ifs of old man Oden…)
Portland: The draft rights to 6th pick Brandon Roy*
Minnesota:
The draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. The draft of Portland dominance. Sorry Minnesota, THIS is the last one. Don’t worry you guys got back Roy at the age when players enter their primes right?
Memphis: The draft rights to 8th pick Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift
Houston: Shane Battier
My Analysis: Memphis trades in. Rudy Gay helped Memphis build into the young upstarts that we all remember; I would say Memphis came out ahead.
Chicago: The draft rights to 13th pick Thabo Sefolosha
Philadelphia: The draft rights to 16th pick Rodney Carney, a 2007 second-round draft pick and cash considerations.
My Analysis: Chicago trades up. Chicago got a legit 3&D guy, Philly got a whole lot of nothing.
Boston: The draft rights to 21st pick Rajon Rondo, Brian Grant and cash considerations
Phoenix: 2007 first-round draft pick.*
(Rudy Fernández)
My Analysis: Boston trades in. (See: best team since Jordan…)

So what does this all mean?

Well, we all knew that the draft is a gamble. After all this analysis, that is the only thing that I am sure of. It seems like trading up for a player goes bad more often than not, but for every Mayo for Love there is a Thomas for Aldridge. That being said, trading into the draft to get the guy a team wants seems to work out far more often than not (however it must be noted that only the top 25 or so picks were examined and the sample size is only about 7 seasons). One final noteworthy finding: when a team seems like they are knocking another teams socks off with numerous players and prospects to move up/in for only a single or a few players/picks ( Toronto 08, PTB 08, Hou 11), the team that takes on those assets seems to be far more likely to either win or at least break even on a trade. So does this change the way we should think about draft day trades in the one and done era? I don’t personally know, what I do know is that if I found myself managing an NBA team I would think long and hard before I traded up for that combine superstar and I would put a lot more consideration into those offers I got from teams on the outside looking in. Also, if anyone from the revolving door that is Portland's upper management happens to call, hang up, fast

Some dates to look forward to:

Pre-draft workout: May 12 through 17 NBA Lottery: May 19 NBA Draft: June 25
*All information found on NBA draft wikipedia pages (2007-2014)
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2015.05.11 04:45 RickRossSteakSauce Up, In, Down & Out: the anatomy of draft day trades

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The NBA playoffs are in full swing and as the pool of contenders rapidly dwindles, the number of starry-eyed prospect watchers quickly rises and /NBA_Draft creeps towards its yearly peak.
NBA Draft pick trades, year in and year out, fans clamor for their respective teams to trade up and grab that one super-special player whom they have become so enamored with. Maybe those warm and tingly feelings started bubbling up during an extra-special march through March (a lá Kemba Walker), or maybe after you saw that player who needed to be strapped down by cinder blocks in order to keep him from leaping out of the gym during the combine workouts (like Zach Lavine). Regardless of the reason, it’s draft season and everyone is watching in (not so) quiet, anxious, anticipation.
Draft day trades occur for a variety of reasons. Teams pair picks with bloated contracts in an attempt to dump salary. Teams that mortgaged away all their picks on an ill advised title run try to buy back in when they see that their summer league roster is going to consist of guys pulled from the local YMCA. Teams move up for players that they just know will be a piece or move back when they don’t see anyone they like. Oh and who can forget, the Philly mantra: asset acquisition.
With all the talk about swapping assets and trading picks on draft day, what does the actual track record suggest? The most interesting draft day trades (to me) are those that involve trading up into the draft (alongside its variant: trading into a draft for a player). We all know the narrative as it applies to the NBA draft’s big brother the NFL Draft: Smart managers trade back for assets and panicky, reactionary managers trade up to try to save their jobs. That being said, the NBA also carries its own narrative: you need a star to win and stars come in the early lottery picks.
The draft is a gamble, that gamble only becomes more risky as the draft rolls along. For the sake of character limits, we will stick to players drafted in the mid 20’s and below, and as a starting point I decided on what I consider the start of the postmodern NBA draft era, or the era of the “one and done” (2006). With the lack of prep to pro players flooding the draft with their incredibly high ceilings and low floors the lottery has become much more of a sure thing than it once was.

2014

** Orlando Magic:** Orlando acquired draft rights to 10th pick Elfrid Payton
Philadelphia 76ers: Philadelphia 76ers acquired draft rights to 12th pick Dario Šarić, a 2015 second-round pick and a future first-round pick
My Analysis: Orlando traded up and got a player with a lot of potential, what they gave up is a complete mystery at this point but they did give up quite a bit. I could see this one shaking out either way
Chicago Bulls: Chicago acquired Anthony Randolph and draft rights to 11th pick Doug McDermott
Denver Nuggets: Denver acquired draft rights to 16th pick Jusuf Nurkić, draft rights to 19th pick Gary Harris and a 2015 second-round pick
My Analysis: Chicago traded up. Early signs point towards this trade being incredibly one sided. Harris hasn’t played much, in limited minutes he wasn’t anything worth noting, but he was on an awful team and still has tons of potential as a 3&D guy, Jusuf has been one of the top young big men in the NBA this past season.

2013

** New Orleans Pelicans:** Jrue Holiday and 42nd pick Pierre Jackson.
Philadelphia 76ers: Traded 6th pick Nerlens Noel and a 2014 protected first-round pick*
*(turned into #10 Elfrid Payton, traded for Saric, and a future 2nd and 1st round pick from Orlando)
My Analysis:Philly traded in. Jrue is a gamer and a legit two way player, we will have to wait and see what he can do with Davis next season but he didn’t fit into Philly’s rebuild and Noel and a bundle of picks certainly does.
Minnesota Timberwolves: 14th pick Shabazz Muhammad and the 21st pick Gorgui Dieng.
Utah Jazz: 9th pick Trey Burke
My Analysis: Utah traded up. Minnesota seems like the clear winner of this trade with a borderline starting center and a very gifted scoring forward while Utah is left with an inefficient undersized player has struggled on defense up to this point. Only time will tell
Dallas Mavericks: Draft rights to the 16th pick Lucas Nogueira and a pair of 2014 second-round picks.
Boston Celtics: 13th pick Kelly Olynyk
My Analysis: Boston trades up. When KO was drafted Ainge didn’t know that he was about to blow it all up in one of the biggest trades of the decade. Olynyk was drafted to be a very good offensive bench body, he seems like he is becoming exactly that. Dallas flipped this pick for not very much in return
** Dallas Mavericks:** No. 18 pick, Shane Larkin.
Atlanta Hawks: 16th pick Lucas Nogueira, guard Jared Cunningham and the No. 44 pick (Mike Muscala)
My Analysis: Atlanta trades up. This was pretty much a wash. Can we just forget about this draft?

2012

** Cleveland Cavaliers:** Acquired Kelenna Azubuike and the draft rights to 17th pick Tyler Zeller
Dallas Mavericks: The draft rights to 24th pick Jared Cunningham, 33rd pick Bernard James and 34th pick Jae Crowder.
My Analysis: Cleveland traded up. Zeller and Jae Crowder are both very solid role players on a playoff caliber team; Cunningham is still young but has skipped around the league and the D- league, another wash.
2011
In a three-team trade:
Charlotte Bobcats: Acquired Corey Magette from the Milwaukee Bucks and the draft rights to 7th pick Bismack Biyombo from the Sacramento Kings,
Kings: Acquired John Salmons and the draft rights to 10th pick Jimmer Fredette from the Bucks
Bucks: Acquired Beno Udrih from the Kings, Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston and the draft rights to 19th pick Tobias Harris from the Bobcats.
My Analysis: A three way draft trade bonanza. I believe technically, Milwaukee and the Kings traded back and the Bobcats traded up. This trade spread a lot of mediocre players around the league and is the root of a lot of future NBA trades. But lets just look at it like this, Only one of these players will even sniff a max contract this season and it was the last player out of all three draft picks taken.
Indiana Pacers: Acquired George Hill
San Antonio Spurs: The draft rights to 15th pick Kawhii Leonard, 42nd pick Dāvis Bertāns and the draft rights to Erazem Lorbek, the 46th pick in 2005.
My Analysis: San Antonio trades in. The mac daddy of trade-ins.
Houston Rockets: Acquired Jonny Flynn, the draft rights to 20th pick Donatas Motiejūnas and a 2012 second-round draft pick
Minnesota Timberwolves: Brad Miller, the draft rights to 23rd pick Nikola Mirotić, 38th pick Chandler Parsons* and a future first-round draft pick. **
*The Rockets then re-acquired the draft rights to Parsons from the Timberwolves in exchange for cash considerations.
** Turned into 26th pick in 2013 Andre Roberson, then traded “Andre Roberson and Malcolm Lee to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for a 2014 second-round pick (the 53rd pick) and cash. Golden State then traded Roberson to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for the 29th pick (Archie Goodwin) and cash.”
My Analysis: Houston trades up. This one is intricate for a trade that involved moving up 3 spots. In a vacuum this is a huge loss for Houston: Mirotic, Parsons, and Roberson for D-Mo and Flynn! Luckily for Houston it all worked out pretty well in their favor
Chicago Bulls: Draft rights to 23rd pick Nikola Mirotić
Minnesota Timberwolves: Draft rights to 28th pick Norris Cole, 43rd pick Malcolm Lee and cash considerations.
My Analysis: Chicago trades up. I would call this a win for Chicago

2010

L.A. Clippers: Acquired the draft rights to 18th pick Eric Bledsoe
Oklahoma City: A future conditional first-round pick. *
(This pick was flipped to Boston with Green for Perkins, it turned out to be Fab Melo)
My Analysis: L.A.C. trades up. OKC trades a promising young guard with a knack for scoring for little to nothing in return. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

2009

Denver: Draft rights to 18th pick Ty Lawson
Minnesota: Future conditional first-round draft pick.*
(Turned out to be 2010, 16th Luke Babbitt)
My Analysis: Denver trades in: disaster Sorry again Minny.

2008

Memphis: Draft rights to 3rd pick O. J. Mayo, along with Marko Jarić, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner
Minnesota: Draft rights to 5th pick Kevin Love, along with Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins.
My Analysis: Memphis trades up. Hey look Minnesota; you won this one, pretty convincingly! It must be so great to have Love on your rost… sorry guys I forgot. I swear it’s over.
Portland: Draft rights to 11th pick Jerryd Bayless and Ike Diogu
Indiana: Draft rights to 13th pick Brandon Rush, Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. Indiana got three legitimate role players; Portland got a borderline NBA player who bounces around the league like flubber.
Toronto: Jermaine O'Neal and the draft rights to 41st pick Nathan Jawai
Indiana: T. J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovič, Maceo Baston, and the draft rights to 17th pick Roy Hibbert.
My Analysis: Indiana trades up. Larry Legend pulls off a steal. Hibbert helped this team rebuild into the Hibbert-Granger lineup that made us all wonder what would have happened if we could flip off injuries in the settings come playoff time.
In a three-team trade:
Portland: Draft rights to 25th pick Nicolas Batum from Houston
Houston: The draft rights to 33rd pick Joey Dorsey from Portland The draft rights to 28th pick Donté Greene and a 2009 second-round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis: The draft rights to 27th pick Darrell Arthur from Portland.
My Analysis: Portland traded up. An end of the first round trade of little significance if it weren’t for Batum, a win for Portland and a win for France!

2007

Seattle: Acquired Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, the draft rights to 5th pick Jeff Green and a 2008 second-round draft pick
Boston: In exchange for Ray Allen and the draft rights to 35th pick Glen Davis.
My Analysis: Seattle trades up. Seattle lost their team, Boston built the best roster to set foot on the hardwood since MJ retired the second time.

2006

Portland: Acquired the draft rights to 2nd pick LaMarcus Aldridge a 2007 second-round draft pick
Chicago: The draft rights to 4th pick Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. Look on the bright side Bulls fans; at least John Paxson lost his job for this. (In all seriousness how does John Paxson keep his job after this)?
Portland: Draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye, Raef LaFrentz and Dan Dickau
Boston: Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a 2008 second-round draft pick.)
My Analysis: Portland trades in. Boston tried to get themselves a young point guard to play alongside Pierce. Seabass was obviously the answer. Portland continued their wheeling and dealing as they built towards what should have been the most amazing SG PF combo that we should be watching play the grizz this week (and that’s not even considering the what ifs of old man Oden…)
Portland: The draft rights to 6th pick Brandon Roy*
Minnesota:
The draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. The draft of Portland dominance. Sorry Minnesota, THIS is the last one. Don’t worry you guys got back Roy at the age when players enter their primes right?
Memphis: The draft rights to 8th pick Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift
Houston: Shane Battier
My Analysis: Memphis trades in. Rudy Gay helped Memphis build into the young upstarts that we all remember; I would say Memphis came out ahead.
Chicago: The draft rights to 13th pick Thabo Sefolosha
Philadelphia: The draft rights to 16th pick Rodney Carney, a 2007 second-round draft pick and cash considerations.
My Analysis: Chicago trades up. Chicago got a legit 3&D guy, Philly got a whole lot of nothing.
Boston: The draft rights to 21st pick Rajon Rondo, Brian Grant and cash considerations
Phoenix: 2007 first-round draft pick.*
(Rudy Fernández)
My Analysis: Boston trades in. (See: best team since Jordan…)

So what does this all mean?

Well, we all knew that the draft is a gamble. After all this analysis, that is the only thing that I am sure of. It seems like trading up for a player goes bad more often than not, but for every Mayo for Love there is a Thomas for Aldridge. That being said, trading into the draft to get the guy a team wants seems to work out far more often than not (however it must be noted that only the top 25 or so picks were examined and the sample size is only about 7 seasons). One final noteworthy finding: when a team seems like they are knocking another teams socks off with numerous players and prospects to move up/in for only a single or a few players/picks ( Toronto 08, PTB 08, Hou 11), the team that takes on those assets seems to be far more likely to either win or at least break even on a trade. So does this change the way we should think about draft day trades in the one and done era? I don’t personally know, what I do know is that if I found myself managing an NBA team I would think long and hard before I traded up for that combine superstar and I would put a lot more consideration into those offers I got from teams on the outside looking in. Also, if anyone from the revolving door that is Portland's upper management happens to call, hang up, fast

Some dates to look forward to:

Pre-draft workout: May 12 through 17 NBA Lottery: May 19 NBA Draft: June 25
*All information found on NBA draft wikipedia pages (2007-2014)
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2015.05.11 04:30 RickRossSteakSauce Up, In, Down & Out: the effectiveness of draft day trades

The NBA playoffs are in full swing and as the pool of contenders rapidly dwindles, the number of starry-eyed prospect watchers quickly rises and /NBA_Draft creeps towards its yearly peak.
NBA Draft pick trades, year in and year out, fans clamor for their respective teams to trade up and grab that one super-special player whom they have become so enamored with. Maybe those warm and tingly feelings started bubbling up during an extra-special march through March (a lá Kemba Walker), or maybe after you saw that player who needed to be strapped down by cinder blocks in order to keep him from leaping out of the gym during the combine workouts (like Zach Lavine). Regardless of the reason, it’s draft season and everyone is watching in (not so) quiet, anxious, anticipation.
Draft day trades occur for a variety of reasons. Teams pair picks with bloated contracts in an attempt to dump salary. Teams that mortgaged away all their picks on an ill advised title run try to buy back in when they see that their summer league roster is going to consist of guys pulled from the local YMCA. Teams move up for players that they just know will be a piece or move back when they don’t see anyone they like. Oh and who can forget, the Philly mantra: asset acquisition.
With all the talk about swapping assets and trading picks on draft day, what does the actual track record suggest? The most interesting draft day trades (to me) are those that involve trading up into the draft (alongside its variant: trading into a draft for a player). We all know the narrative as it applies to the NBA draft’s big brother the NFL Draft: Smart managers trade back for assets and panicky, reactionary managers trade up to try to save their jobs. That being said, the NBA also carries its own narrative: you need a star to win and stars come in the early lottery picks.
The draft is a gamble, that gamble only becomes more risky as the draft rolls along. For the sake of character limits, we will stick to players drafted in the mid 20’s and below, and as a starting point I decided on what I consider the start of the postmodern NBA draft era, or the era of the “one and done” (2006). With the lack of prep to pro players flooding the draft with their incredibly high ceilings and low floors the lottery has become much more of a sure thing than it once was.

2014

** Orlando Magic:** Orlando acquired draft rights to 10th pick Elfrid Payton
Philadelphia 76ers: Philadelphia 76ers acquired draft rights to 12th pick Dario Šarić, a 2015 second-round pick and a future first-round pick
My Analysis: Orlando traded up and got a player with a lot of potential, what they gave up is a complete mystery at this point but they did give up quite a bit. I could see this one shaking out either way
Chicago Bulls: Chicago acquired Anthony Randolph and draft rights to 11th pick Doug McDermott
Denver Nuggets: Denver acquired draft rights to 16th pick Jusuf Nurkić, draft rights to 19th pick Gary Harris and a 2015 second-round pick
My Analysis: Chicago traded up. Early signs point towards this trade being incredibly one sided. Harris hasn’t played much, in limited minutes he wasn’t anything worth noting, but he was on an awful team and still has tons of potential as a 3&D guy, Jusuf has been one of the top young big men in the NBA this past season.

2013

** New Orleans Pelicans:** Jrue Holiday and 42nd pick Pierre Jackson.
Philadelphia 76ers: Traded 6th pick Nerlens Noel and a 2014 protected first-round pick*
*(turned into #10 Elfrid Payton, traded for Saric, and a future 2nd and 1st round pick from Orlando)
My Analysis:Philly traded in. Jrue is a gamer and a legit two way player, we will have to wait and see what he can do with Davis next season but he didn’t fit into Philly’s rebuild and Noel and a bundle of picks certainly does.
Minnesota Timberwolves: 14th pick Shabazz Muhammad and the 21st pick Gorgui Dieng.
Utah Jazz: 9th pick Trey Burke
My Analysis: Utah traded up. Minnesota seems like the clear winner of this trade with a borderline starting center and a very gifted scoring forward while Utah is left with an inefficient undersized player has struggled on defense up to this point. Only time will tell
Dallas Mavericks: Draft rights to the 16th pick Lucas Nogueira and a pair of 2014 second-round picks.
Boston Celtics: 13th pick Kelly Olynyk
My Analysis: Boston trades up. When KO was drafted Ainge didn’t know that he was about to blow it all up in one of the biggest trades of the decade. Olynyk was drafted to be a very good offensive bench body, he seems like he is becoming exactly that. Dallas flipped this pick for not very much in return
** Dallas Mavericks:** No. 18 pick, Shane Larkin.
Atlanta Hawks: 16th pick Lucas Nogueira, guard Jared Cunningham and the No. 44 pick (Mike Muscala)
My Analysis: Atlanta trades up. This was pretty much a wash. Can we just forget about this draft?

2012

** Cleveland Cavaliers:** Acquired Kelenna Azubuike and the draft rights to 17th pick Tyler Zeller
Dallas Mavericks: The draft rights to 24th pick Jared Cunningham, 33rd pick Bernard James and 34th pick Jae Crowder.
My Analysis: Cleveland traded up. Zeller and Jae Crowder are both very solid role players on a playoff caliber team; Cunningham is still young but has skipped around the league and the D- league, another wash.
2011
In a three-team trade:
Charlotte Bobcats: Acquired Corey Magette from the Milwaukee Bucks and the draft rights to 7th pick Bismack Biyombo from the Sacramento Kings,
Kings: Acquired John Salmons and the draft rights to 10th pick Jimmer Fredette from the Bucks
Bucks: Acquired Beno Udrih from the Kings, Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston and the draft rights to 19th pick Tobias Harris from the Bobcats.
My Analysis: A three way draft trade bonanza. I believe technically, Milwaukee and the Kings traded back and the Bobcats traded up. This trade spread a lot of mediocre players around the league and is the root of a lot of future NBA trades. But lets just look at it like this, Only one of these players will even sniff a max contract this season and it was the last player out of all three draft picks taken.
Indiana Pacers: Acquired George Hill
San Antonio Spurs: The draft rights to 15th pick Kawhii Leonard, 42nd pick Dāvis Bertāns and the draft rights to Erazem Lorbek, the 46th pick in 2005.
My Analysis: San Antonio trades in. The mac daddy of trade-ins.
Houston Rockets: Acquired Jonny Flynn, the draft rights to 20th pick Donatas Motiejūnas and a 2012 second-round draft pick
Minnesota Timberwolves: Brad Miller, the draft rights to 23rd pick Nikola Mirotić, 38th pick Chandler Parsons* and a future first-round draft pick. **
*The Rockets then re-acquired the draft rights to Parsons from the Timberwolves in exchange for cash considerations.
** Turned into 26th pick in 2013 Andre Roberson, then traded “Andre Roberson and Malcolm Lee to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for a 2014 second-round pick (the 53rd pick) and cash. Golden State then traded Roberson to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for the 29th pick (Archie Goodwin) and cash.”
My Analysis: Houston trades up. This one is intricate for a trade that involved moving up 3 spots. In a vacuum this is a huge loss for Houston: Mirotic, Parsons, and Roberson for D-Mo and Flynn! Luckily for Houston it all worked out pretty well in their favor
Chicago Bulls: Draft rights to 23rd pick Nikola Mirotić
Minnesota Timberwolves: Draft rights to 28th pick Norris Cole, 43rd pick Malcolm Lee and cash considerations.
My Analysis: Chicago trades up. I would call this a win for Chicago

2010

L.A. Clippers: Acquired the draft rights to 18th pick Eric Bledsoe
Oklahoma City: A future conditional first-round pick. *
(This pick was flipped to Boston with Green for Perkins, it turned out to be Fab Melo)
My Analysis: L.A.C. trades up. OKC trades a promising young guard with a knack for scoring for little to nothing in return. Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

2009

Denver: Draft rights to 18th pick Ty Lawson
Minnesota: Future conditional first-round draft pick.*
(Turned out to be 2010, 16th Luke Babbitt)
My Analysis: Denver trades in: disaster Sorry again Minny.

2008

Memphis: Draft rights to 3rd pick O. J. Mayo, along with Marko Jarić, Antoine Walker, and Greg Buckner
Minnesota: Draft rights to 5th pick Kevin Love, along with Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins.
My Analysis: Memphis trades up. Hey look Minnesota; you won this one, pretty convincingly! It must be so great to have Love on your rost… sorry guys I forgot. I swear it’s over.
Portland: Draft rights to 11th pick Jerryd Bayless and Ike Diogu
Indiana: Draft rights to 13th pick Brandon Rush, Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. Indiana got three legitimate role players; Portland got a borderline NBA player who bounces around the league like flubber.
Toronto: Jermaine O'Neal and the draft rights to 41st pick Nathan Jawai
Indiana: T. J. Ford, Rasho Nesterovič, Maceo Baston, and the draft rights to 17th pick Roy Hibbert.
My Analysis: Indiana trades up. Larry Legend pulls off a steal. Hibbert helped this team rebuild into the Hibbert-Granger lineup that made us all wonder what would have happened if we could flip off injuries in the settings come playoff time.
In a three-team trade:
Portland: Draft rights to 25th pick Nicolas Batum from Houston
Houston: The draft rights to 33rd pick Joey Dorsey from Portland The draft rights to 28th pick Donté Greene and a 2009 second-round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis: The draft rights to 27th pick Darrell Arthur from Portland.
My Analysis: Portland traded up. An end of the first round trade of little significance if it weren’t for Batum, a win for Portland and a win for France!

2007

Seattle: Acquired Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, the draft rights to 5th pick Jeff Green and a 2008 second-round draft pick
Boston: In exchange for Ray Allen and the draft rights to 35th pick Glen Davis.
My Analysis: Seattle trades up. Seattle lost their team, Boston built the best roster to set foot on the hardwood since MJ retired the second time.

2006

Portland: Acquired the draft rights to 2nd pick LaMarcus Aldridge a 2007 second-round draft pick
Chicago: The draft rights to 4th pick Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khryapa.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. Look on the bright side Bulls fans; at least John Paxson lost his job for this. (In all seriousness how does John Paxson keep his job after this)?
Portland: Draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye, Raef LaFrentz and Dan Dickau
Boston: Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a 2008 second-round draft pick.)
My Analysis: Portland trades in. Boston tried to get themselves a young point guard to play alongside Pierce. Seabass was obviously the answer. Portland continued their wheeling and dealing as they built towards what should have been the most amazing SG PF combo that we should be watching play the grizz this week (and that’s not even considering the what ifs of old man Oden…)
Portland: The draft rights to 6th pick Brandon Roy*
Minnesota:
The draft rights to 7th pick Randy Foye.
My Analysis: Portland trades up. The draft of Portland dominance. Sorry Minnesota, THIS is the last one. Don’t worry you guys got back Roy at the age when players enter their primes right?
Memphis: The draft rights to 8th pick Rudy Gay and Stromile Swift
Houston: Shane Battier
My Analysis: Memphis trades in. Rudy Gay helped Memphis build into the young upstarts that we all remember; I would say Memphis came out ahead.
Chicago: The draft rights to 13th pick Thabo Sefolosha
Philadelphia: The draft rights to 16th pick Rodney Carney, a 2007 second-round draft pick and cash considerations.
My Analysis: Chicago trades up. Chicago got a legit 3&D guy, Philly got a whole lot of nothing.
Boston: The draft rights to 21st pick Rajon Rondo, Brian Grant and cash considerations
Phoenix: 2007 first-round draft pick.*
(Rudy Fernández)
My Analysis: Boston trades in. (See: best team since Jordan…)

So what does this all mean?

Well, we all knew that the draft is a gamble. After all this analysis, that is the only thing that I am sure of. It seems like trading up for a player goes bad more often than not, but for every Mayo for Love there is a Thomas for Aldridge. That being said, trading into the draft to get the guy a team wants seems to work out far more often than not (however it must be noted that only the top 25 or so picks were examined and the sample size is only about 7 seasons). One final noteworthy finding: when a team seems like they are knocking another teams socks off with numerous players and prospects to move up/in for only a single or a few players/picks ( Toronto 08, PTB 08, Hou 11), the team that takes on those assets seems to be far more likely to either win or at least break even on a trade. So does this change the way we should think about draft day trades in the one and done era? I don’t personally know, what I do know is that if I found myself managing an NBA team I would think long and hard before I traded up for that combine superstar and I would put a lot more consideration into those offers I got from teams on the outside looking in. Also if anyone from the revolving door that is Portland's upper management happens to call, hang up, fast

Some dates to look forward to:

Pre-draft workout: May 12 through 17 NBA Lottery: May 19 NBA Draft: June 25
*All information found on NBA draft wikipedia pages (2007-2014)
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